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Removing Instant Amnesia - Bard

SnaillynSnaillyn
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Bards have had this skill for way to long, this is wayover the top. Dropping peoples speed/popping off of horses. Let me know why this is such a long range and on a short timer. Is it over the top or balanced?

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  • HuehuaehueHuehuaehue
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    it effects real game play a lot, they need to keep it, but what they need to do is just make it not demount or break speed anymore, just interrupt
  • BurkleyRIPBurkleyRIP
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    Yeah. It’s really annoying when you’re solo or small man and the fgh chases you and just instas you off the horse.
  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    The only argument I can see for changing instant amnesia is to reduce its range to match the time it takes to cast the other amnesia spells on a player moving at speed 6. See example below. I do not know how many units speed 6 covers per second so this is entirely hypothetical.

    Assumptions
    Casted amnesia: 2300 units, 2.0 second base casting time
    Instant amnesia: 2000 units, instant (5s single RUT, 10s AoE RUT)
    Speed 6: 300 units per second
    Stop time: 0 seconds

    Taking into account cast speed (392 dex and 10%) and spell range (10%)
    Casted amnesia: 2300 units x 1.10 = 2530 units, 0.8 second casting time
    Instant amnesia: 2000 units x 1.10 = 2200 units, 0 second casting time

    0.8 seconds x 300 units per second = 240 units

    2530 - 240 units = 2290 units

    2290 units / 1.1 = 2082 units (suggested instant amnesia base range).

    Take these calculations with a grain of salt but I think the approach makes sense. Otherwise, just give Bards casted amnesia at 2300 range and 2.0 second cast time.
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  • HellblastHellblast
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    I prefer 1000 time my amnésia single and area amne on my healer then my bard because i can chain them . A guys on moc are easilly controlled by casted amnesia , on bard its impossible to rupt them with double instant amné .
  • YlazulYlazul
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    It's been in the game forever. Amnesia should not dismount or break speed unless resisted however.
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  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Ylazul wrote: »
    It's been in the game forever. Amnesia should not dismount or break speed unless resisted however.

    Since all classes that have amnesia have the grey single target spell, I don't think making this change would prevent the perceived problem of forcing dismounts/breaking speed.
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  • SnaillynSnaillyn
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    Should have been nerfed when mounts were introduced. Maybe change the movement aspect to the spell, reduce its range and keep it insta.
  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    The way mounts work now is fine for the most part. Forcing dismounts by putting a player in combat seems fair to me; otherwise, there would be no need to run a speed class. The main problem I have with mounts is you can't use them while being shape-shifted or in dungeons. This should be changed, imo.
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  • SnaillynSnaillyn
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    Your saying if bards did not have it people wouldn't run one? That’s pretty far fetched bud.
  • WestiesWesties
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    Then how would hibs 8v1 people?
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  • MuylaeMuylae
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    Hellblast wrote: »
    I prefer 1000 time my amnésia single and area amne on my healer then my bard because i can chain them . A guys on moc are easilly controlled by casted amnesia , on bard its impossible to rupt them with double instant amné .

    the argument was about insta amnesia being a fleeing person on horse / fleeing group in speed killer, not the interupts.
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  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Snaillyn wrote: »
    Your saying if bards did not have it people wouldn't run one? That’s pretty far fetched bud.

    I was not clear. There would be no need for a speed spell if forcing dismounts was not a mechanic. Bards don't need the speed spell to get groups but it sure is a plus =).
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  • DreamscapeDreamscape
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    Snaillyn wrote: »
    Bards have had this skill for way to long, this is wayover the top. Dropping peoples speed/popping off of horses. Let me know why this is such a long range and on a short timer. Is it over the top or balanced?

    It would help if it also dropped the bard out of speed when used.
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  • BurkleyRIPBurkleyRIP
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    I thought it did, but if you time pulses right you don’t really lose speed except for like a second
  • scerffscerff
    edited November 2018 PM
    Oooh ohh I know, we can make sorcs aoe mezz 1500 instead of bolt range too while we're at it. Ooo ooo or you could make the cast speed 5 seconds!!
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  • SalixSalix
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    scerff wrote: »
    Oooh ohh I know, we can make sorcs aoe mezz 1500 instead of bolt range too while we're at it. Ooo ooo or you could make the cast speed 5 seconds!!

    So you want albs to have insta aoe mez like hibs and all casters from alb to have stun in baseline as well?
  • WilliwahnWilliwahn
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    why not all classes as a mirror class in each rich einbazen.
    then the whining stops.
    class differences, made a game.
    sry for my google english
  • SnaillynSnaillyn
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    Its the only class in the game who can cheese any solo/small man. No other class can insta you off your horse from 2300 range and not lose speed. I’d be happier with insta 1500 range mez then a bolt range one, but don’t get me wrong both are good in certain situations.

    GL
  • GavnerGavner
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    Didn't sorcs get insta mezz on 48 Mind spec?
  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Gavner wrote: »
    Didn't sorcs get insta mezz on 48 Mind spec?

    Yes. I have never used it though.
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  • GavnerGavner
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    I wouldn't spec for it either. It's just there. :)
  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Snaillyn wrote: »
    Its the only class in the game who can cheese any solo/small man. No other class can insta you off your horse from 2300 range and not lose speed. I’d be happier with insta 1500 range mez then a bolt range one, but don’t get me wrong both are good in certain situations.

    GL

    Instant amnesia range is 2000 base, not 2300 like the castable versions.
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  • GavnerGavner
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    Also can't spam
  • SnaillynSnaillyn
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    @Beetleguisse thanks dont have a bard, but thought all Amnesia was 2300. Guess thats what i get for playing stealth 95% of the time.
  • SnaillynSnaillyn
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    @Gavner they did, but i dont think its AoE its single target. My sorc has been body for so long, i could be wrong tho.
  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Snaillyn wrote: »
    @Gavner they did, but i dont think its AoE its single target. My sorc has been body for so long, i could be wrong tho.

    It's not AoE, just single target.
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  • YlazulYlazul
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    Damn, didn't realize they nerfed instant amnesia range down
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  • TyrantanicTyrantanic
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    Ylazul wrote: »
    Damn, didn't realize they nerfed instant amnesia range down

    Bard
    - The single-target and area-of-effect instant amnesia spells have had their ranged reduced from 2300 to 2000.

    https://darkageofcamelot.com/content/1116-live-patch-notes

    This was done quite some time ago.
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